AntiFa, Trump and Society

Someone on my Facebook friend list shared this today. Take a look and see my lengthy comments below from the discussion on Facebook that followed.

Reposting From “AntiFa”:



Dear Mr. Trump:

Let us be perfectly clear:

“Antifa” isn’t an organization. There’s no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea and nothing more. Even the claim of this author to represent “Antifa” is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the author’s right to represent “AntiFa.”

“Antifa” is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase “anti-fascist.” The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.

The ostensible president of the United States has, today, openly declared that he is a fascist, and that he intends to turn the military power of the United States into a fascist tool.

Now there is no question, and we can stop pretending that this man represents anything but the worst in humanity, which his supporters embody.

And that is the only effect his words will have.

It will likely be no problem for LEO to identify the author of this document, who also has maintained the “AntiFa” page on Facebook since founding it in 2017.

The author of this document is unconcerned with that inevitability because neither that author, nor this document, has been involved in a crime of any sort in any way.

But, since both the “president” and the media insist on acting as though “AntiFa” is this big, scary organization, the author supposes it’s time for “AntiFa” to make a statement.


“AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power, whether that power is unjustly derived from wealth, status as an employer, or political popularity.

Particularly, AntiFa defends and supports the right of oppressed and marginalized people to protest, march, and engage in civil disobedience in pursuit of justice. While it is never our intent to engage in violent or destructive behavior, we cannot and will not take responsibility for telling people how they are allowed to be righteously outraged. We prefer and encourage non-violent action. We also understand that some people just aren’t feeling that nice anymore. Their feelings are entirely justified, and it is neither our role nor our privilege to tell them otherwise.

Mass civil disobedience is what happens when people say they’re hurting and whoever’s hurting them refuses to stop.

Stop hurting them. Fix your broken systems. Get real and meaningful psychological evaluations and background checks - police in some nations have to pass a more stringent test to carry pepper spray than any police department in the US, or the US military, have in place. As a direct and possibly deliberate consequence, our military and paramilitary personnel simply cannot be assumed to be fighting in the interests of the people of this country.

We’ve all seen the photos. This destruction and burning and looting is largely the behavior of outsiders; white people taking advantage of the situation both to enrich themselves by looting under cover of the protests, and to provide excuses for uncontrolled fascist elements within our military and police forces as plausible cover for killing more black, brown, and poor people without fear of sanction. The so-called “accellerationists” who have committed to ensuring that, any time a marginalized community stands up and demands justice, construct a narrative of criminality and destruction that white bigots and affluent oligarchs who benefit from our broken system to validate their bigotry and injustice retroactively. They are successful in this for two reasons: because people like you are easily manipulated in your banal, self-serving ignorance, and because people like you are more than happy to passive-aggressively reap the benefits of pretending to believe this destruction is the act of the oppressed.

This game has gone on for decades on an endless loop since the very dawn of the civil rights era, and we the people are saying ‘no more.’”

And that, “President” Trump, is your solution. No more. Get the dirt out of your law enforcement and your military. Get the dirt out of your government and administration. Ideally, resign now and take your VP and cabinet with you; Nancy Pelosi isn’t a great deal of improvement, but she’ll only be president for a few months.

You can’t arrest 100 million of us, sir, and you would be well-advised not to try. If you think that targeting and “making an example of” the author of this document will get you anywhere, you may rest assured that this author is more than prepared to allow his real name to be used as a rallying cry for justice and civil disobedience from coast to coast.

It is time for you and everyone who thinks like you to understand that whether black, red, brown, white, or any other color, Americans are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises.

Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of “demands.” Here are our demands:

-Universal single payer health care, without regard for citizenship status.

-Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the “employer of last resort.” Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end.

-The abolition of “right to work laws” which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyone’s right to work.

-Publicly funded higher education.

-Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education.

-A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.

-The creation of a publicly funded non-partisan media source to serve as the primary source of government information, to be overseen and managed day to day by a coalition of well-known communicators, political scientists, and other experts in propaganda to strip ALL bias from official information before it is broadcast.

-Federal charges of treason filed against anyone willfully and knowingly attempting to minimize public perception of the impact and risks of the coronavirus.

-Reform of whistleblower laws to ensure they have teeth, and particularly to ensure that a whistleblower, acting in good faith, is not identified to the public, ever.

In the end, Mr. “President,” the simple reality is that “AntiFa” isn’t a thing. You can’t end it, you can’t arrest it, and you can’t silence it. Nor, in any decent nation, would the attempt even be made.

“Antifa” means “Anti-Fascism.” The only position that opposes that is fascism. In the end, there is no “organization” that you can “declare terrorists.”

You, sir, and yours, are the terrorists, and your victims are done putting up with it.

America is not, in spite of having an openly admitted fascist as “president,” a fascist nation. We’ve had wars about this. The fascists are 0-2.

Please, Mr. “President” - let’s not try to make it 0-3? Because it will never, ever be 1-2, and none of us wants to see the death toll from your attempt to make it so.

Currently, media and other actors wishing to contact this author may do so through the page. Should Mr. Zuckerberg, who has displayed plenty of authoritarian and fascist tendencies himself, decide not to host that page any longer, this document will be updated.

Best Regards,


I replied:

Why not invite AntiFA for a dinner party and chin wag at your house or business premises?

Maybe these guys

It says: “AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power” … but it also says: “Federal charges of treason filed against anyone willfully and knowingly attempting to minimize public perception of the impact and risks of the coronavirus.”

[this is clearly a contradiction]

AntiFa is criminal and violent and must be stopped ASAP.

Derranged 20-somethings cheering on as the boldest among them smash people’s heads in with stakeboards, or drag truck drivers from their cabin and bludgen them to death, while the rest destroy small businesses and set fire to neighbourhoods, defacing public and private property.

This lady explains it well.

The poster asked:

You tell me why you support Trump?

I replied:

As a step towards answering your question about Trump, I saw this video in my own early 20-somethings.

Besides the chronic issues in the areas you care so much about, racial equality, etc, I believe the fundamental of human society begins with the ethics shown in this video.

When I look at the contrast between what Trump generally advocates and exemplifies, and what AntiFa generally advocates and exemplifies, for me the choice is crystal clear.

Yes ultimately a Democracy run by a majority who appoint a leader does by nature lead to loss of rights in various ways. Various suppressions. Various frauds. Various coercions. Various injustices.

Bottom line, Democrats/Obama/Clintons/Bernies do not uphold the Constitution of the Republic, they do not advocate toleration, or property rights, which means they do not advocate individual natural rights, which means they do advocate violence and force to smash any building that stands taller than anyone else’s, by the ‘right of equality’, and since we the people can’t govern ourselves, of course they will do it on our behalf, those angels of the left, free of the restrictions from a Constitution, free of property rights, free of individual rights. It ends up being the worst of group rights again, like a Democracy, but without any vote, conducted by a Communist / Socialist government.

I don’t know if any of this seems relevant to you. But these are reasons why in my view AntiFa must be stopped and why I advocate Trump over any other political candidate today by far.

I am not racist. I am not sexist. I am not hateful. I am a white male. We are all ignorant.

If Trump is a rapist, then the justice system of the Constitution should be enforced to gather evidence and prosecute. The problem with America seems to be a lack of enforcing the Republican Constitution.

My basic political position is that government exists to protect the individual rights of everyone, including the right to their person and property. This means no racial violence of any kind. It means no physical rape of any kind.

My central political principle is this: No initiatory force. Force to be used only in protection against those who initiate force.

The AntiFA thugs are not protecting anyones person or property. They are doing exactly the opposite. They are making things worse for everyone, blacks, women, whites, everyone. They are violent. They advocate violence. Their techniques are violent. They incite violence.

Someone else replied:

“What about the protesters who showed up at the Michigan capitol with GUNS, threatening government about the shut down?”

They believe the lockdown to be unconstitutional and an engineered attempt by the left at political agitation by destroying the countries economy.

The ‘void of leadership’ is from the Democratic Governors themselves. A President does not legally dictate everything that happens in the States. That’s not how the Constitutional Republic is designed. That would be a Dictatorship. Trump is bound by certain legal restrictions. It is incumbent on Governors to uphold the law of the Constitution, or not. And it is for the people to support and vote them out. That has nothing to do with a ‘void of Leadership’ from the Presidency.

I understand all that but as President, he could facilitate the conversations between Governors, or create a town hall with the police chiefs. Do SOMETHING in this situation. That’s my beef with him.

Not sure why Governors should need to speak with eachother to use their own police in their own States to stop violence. Nor why Trump needs to rouse up Governors to meet with their own State police chiefs. If the Governors really are that incompetent, then I’d say it’s a direct leftovers from the #obamagate

I would be happy with that too, providing there are some very big WALL’s to help protect the 50 country borders.

What I fully expect would happen is that countries adhering closely to the Constitution would blossom in all areas of positive life experience for all people therein.

While the leftist countries would quickly descend into AntiFa carnage with the likes of Bernie at the helm singing Russian Soviet folk songs.

It would be quite a social experiment.

After a while those ‘blue countries’ would turn red: soviet red, china red, then blood red… then finally republican red as people flee back towards the safety, benevolence, and opportunity of countries that uphold the sanctity of individual and property rights and guard the preciousness of small businesses and diverse communities based on everyone earning an honest living.

What I’m hearing you say is that there is no need for a President. That’s fine by me. Break it up into 50 countries.

It’s what groups such as are aiming to do out in the open seas away from nation state laws and politics. New governance experiments on man-made floating islands.

I believe the purpose of the Presidency is to protect the people by protecting the Constitution. A presidency of law and order.

These are interesting viewpoints and you’re having me do some thinking. I appreciate it. I will watch the videos today.